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8. Prophecy Rock

The famous "Prophecy Rock" petroglyph (Fig. 5) is known as the Hopi Life Plan. Some people claim that the petroglyph was carved in the 20th century. A Hopi man (a resident of Old Oraibi) whom I met at Prophecy Rock told me it did not exist when he was a youth in the 1970s. The following explanation, which was provided by the Hotevila faction, has been approved by the traditionalist Hopi elders:

"In the figure of the Life Plan, (a) represents Maasaw pointing to the earth from which the Hopi emerged. The short lines (b) between his right hand and foot represent the Hopi clans. In recent years, the Hopi added a bow to the right of Maasaw to illustrate his instructions to lay down their weapons and live in peace. With his left hand, he is touching the path of Life Plan (c) which the Hopi are to follow. The circle (d) near his left hand represents the Hopi’s stewardship over Turtle Island.

"Point (e) indicates the time when, as Maasaw predicted, the Hopi would digress from the True Path and follow another trail. The square (f) at this point is supposed to represent Oraibi. The two lines leading from Oraibi mark the split that occurred in 1905 between the progressive Oraibi and traditionalist Hotevila factions. The upper line (g) branching from the square is the false path of the wicked people who strive to dominate Nature and rise above other people without the guidance of God. The three human figures (h) on the false path are the generations of wicked people who walk that way. Hopi elders claim that in recent times, heads were added to the symbols. The lack of heads would represent the punishment of death that will befall the wicked.

"Two zig-zag lines (I) branch from the false path. They represent carelessness and different paths to the final destruction pursued by the wicked people. Each zig and zag is another evil intention that eventually will be exhausted, which is indicated by the drooping symbol for turning around or sagging down (j) at their ends.

"The lower straight line (k) is the true path of life leading to everlasting life (l), symbolized by the masked figure of Maasaw (o). He holds a planting stick in one hand while touching a corn stalk with the other. Maasaw stands waiting at the end of the True Path of Life because, as he says, ‘I am the first and I am the last.’

"The True Path is interrupted in three places by arches (m) which might have been complete circles at some time in the past. These are said to represent gourds, symbolizing three great ‘shakings’ or wars that will rattle humanity before the Life Plan is fulfilled. Hopi elders say the third gourd is the ‘final war of purification in which all evil will be destroyed.’

"Line (n), which also resembles a corn stalk, connects the false path with the true way. It offers a last chance for the wicked to repent and return to the Path of Life. The two dead-end zig-zag trails indicate complete and permanent destruction of body and soul, since they continue for only a short distance beyond the point of no return.

"Symbol (p) is obscured by scratches, but the Hopis claim it is a crucifix, added to the petroglyph after a bloody 17th century encounter with the Spanish. The symbol was at Maasaw’s behest to show that Christianity is incompatible with the Hopi Life Plan, and should not merge with it." (10)

The three figures on the upper path also have been interpreted to mean the white man’s inventions of the wagon and automobile, the train, and the airplane.

9. Deganawida ~

Deganawida ("He the Thinker") was a wise prophet of the Iroquois. He lived at the same time as the great chief Hiawatha, circa 1500. At that time the Iroquois nations were at war among themselves. Deganawida was given a vision of a gigantic spruce tree which reached up to the sky to the Elder Brothers, symbolizing the Family of Humanity. Deganawida began to preach a religion of love and harmony, thereby bringing unity to the Iroquois nations, a great confederacy that lasted more than 300 years. In another vision, Deganawida foresaw the destiny of the native Americans. That vision was transmitted orally until Edmund Wilson published it in his Apologies to the Iroquois:

"When Deganawida was leaving the Indians in the Bay of Quinte in Ontario, he told them that they would face a time of great suffering. They would distrust their leaders and the principles of peace of the League, and a great white serpent [Caucasians] was to come upon the Iroquois. For a time, it would intermingle with the Indian people and be accepted by the Indians, who would treat the serpent as a friend. This serpent would in time become so powerful that it would attempt to destroy the Indians; the serpent was described as choking the life’s blood out of the Indian people. Deganawida told the Indians that they would seem to be lost, but when things looked their darkest a red serpent [China] would come from the north and approach the white serpent, which would be terrified; upon seeing the red serpent, he would release the Indian, who would fall to the ground like a helpless child, and the white serpent would turn all its attention to the red serpent. This bewilderment would cause the white serpent to accept the red serpent momentarily. The white serpent would be stunned and take part of the red serpent and accept him. Then there is be a heated argument and a fight. Then the Indian revives and crawls toward the land of the hilly country where he would assemble his people together and they would renew their faith and the principles of peace that Deganawida had established. There would at the same time exist among the Indians a great love and forgiveness for his brother, and in this gathering would come streams from all over --- not only the Iroquois, but from all over --- and they would gather in the hilly country, and they would renew their friendship. Deganawida said they would remain neutral in this fight between the white serpent and the red serpent.

"At the time they were watching the two serpents locked in this battle, a great message would come to them and make them ever so humble, and when they had become that humble, they will be waiting for a young leader, an Indian boy, possibly in his teens, who would become a choice seer. Nobody knows who he is or where he comes from, but he will be given great power and would be heard by thousands, and he would give them the guidance and the hope to refrain from going back to their land and he would become the accepted leader. Deganaweda said that they will gather in the land of the hilly country between the branches of an elm tree, and they should burn tobacco and call upon Deganawida by name when they are facing their darkest hours, and he will return. Deganawida said that as the choice seer speaks to the Indians, they will notice to south a black serpent [Africans] coming from the sea. He is described as dripping with salt water. And as he stands there, he rests for a spell to get his breath, all the time watching to the north to the land where the white serpent and the red serpent are fighting.

"Deganawida said that the battle between the white and the red serpents would open slowly, then become so violent that the mountains would crack and the rivers would boil and the fish would turn up their bellies. He said that there would be no leaves on the trees in that area. There would be no grass, and strange bugs and beetles would crawl from the ground and attack both serpents. He said that a great heat would cause the stench of death to sicken both serpents. And then, as the boy seer is watching this fight, the red serpent reaches around the back of the white serpent and pulls from him a hair. The hair suddenly turns into a woman, a white woman who tells him strange things that he knows to be true, but he wants to hear them again. When this white woman finished telling these things, he takes her and gently places her on a rock with great love and respect, and then he becomes infuriated at what he has heard, so he makes a beeline for the north, and he enters the battle between the red and white serpents with such speed and anger that he defeats the two serpents who have already become battle-weary.

"When he finishes, he stands on the chest of the white serpent, and he boasts and puts his chest out like he’s the conqueror, and he looks for another serpent to conquer. He looks to the land of the hilly country and then he sees the Indian standing there with his arms folded and looking so noble that he knows that this Indian is not the one that he should fight. The next direction he will face will be eastward, and at that time he will be momentarily blinded by a light that is many times brighter than the sun. The light will be coming from the east to the west over the water, and when the black serpent regains his sight, he becomes terrified and makes a run for the sea. He dips into the sea and swims away in a southerly direction, and shall never again be seen by the Indians.

"The white serpent revives, and he, too, sees this light, and he makes a feeble attempt to gather himself and to go toward that light. A portion of the white serpent refuses to leave, but instead makes its way toward the land of the hilly people. The red serpent would revive and he would shiver with a great fear when he sees that light. He would crawl toward the north and leave a bloody trail, and he would never be seen again by the Indians. Deganawida said that as this light approaches he would be that light, and he would return to his Indian people would be a greater nation than they ever were before." (11)

10. Crazy Horse ~

The Teton Sioux Chief Crazy Horse had a final vision in which "He saw his people being driven into spiritual darkness and poverty while the white people prospered in a material way all around them. But even in the darkest times, he saw that the eyes of a few of his people kept the light of dawn and the wisdom of the earth, which they passed on to some of their grandchildren. He saw the coming of automobiles and airplanes, and twice he saw the great darkness and heard the screams and explosions when millions of people died in two great world wars.

"But he saw, after the second great war passed, a time come when his people began to awaken, not all at once, but a few here and there, and then more and more, and he saw that they were dancing in a beautiful light of the Spirit World under the Sacred Tree even while still on Earth. Then he was amazed to see that dancing under the tree were representatives of all races who had become brothers, and he realized that the world would be made new again and in peace and harmony not just by his people, but by members of all races of mankind." (12)

11. Sioux & Navajo, &c. ~

The Oglala Sioux have a myth of the end times:

"At the beginning of Time, a buffalo was placed in the West to stem the flooding waters. Every year this buffalo loses a hair, and during every age, a leg. When he is without hair and legs the waters will flood in, and a world cycle will come to its end. It is said that the buffalo now stands on one leg and is almost bald. (13, 14)

Several other Indian seers, and whole groups of Sun-Dancers, have received visions which deserve notice here. The Seneca Grandfather Moses Shongo (died ca. 1925) foresaw a 25-year period of purification, lasting until the year 2012 or so, during which the Earth will purge itself.

In the late 1980s, while the Blackfeet people were convening their sacred Sun Dance, the skies darkened with black storm clouds that hid the sun. Then there was utter stillness. The clouds withdrew from around the sun, and a white cloud appeared in its place. The cloud drew near, changing its shape until it assumed the form of a man, suspended in mid-air and visible to the people. The being spoke, telling them "Do not be disturbed, but to be patient a little while longer, for He would come again and lead them out of the darkness into the light, and they would not suffer the same way again." Meanwhile, the people were to purify themselves with prayer and sweat lodges. Thus, they would be prepared to receive Him when He returned to live with them and lead them to peace at home. (15)

The oral traditions of the Navajo also warn of the Time of the End. The Navajo expect a New Faith to come to them, like the dawn. At first, only a few people who are prepared and awaiting the event will be aware of it. Then more and more people, and eventually everyone, will see it. The Navajo chants say that there are two signs of the new Spirit. The first is a Nine-pointed Star that will come from the East and unify all races and nations with love. The second sign will be a great chief, also in the east, who will wear a headdress with twelve feathers. Each feather represents a spiritual principle which he will teach.

According to the Navajo Unity Chant, "In the Day of Unity you will walk in beauty; the beauty will walk before you; the beauty will walk behind you; you will be surrounded by beauty. Through the beautiful teachings of a new Prophet of God, these meanings will become very clear. Man himself in this Age has found many ways to create beauty. With these beautiful things we must now have beautiful minds. With beautiful minds we will have beautiful hearts. With beautiful hearts we will talk in beauty. The speech of all men will be in beauty... Those who speak with beautiful speech will lead the world to beauty... The center of this beautiful speech comes from a Holy Mountain..."

In May 1996, a 96-year old Navajo woman named Irene Yazzie claimed she was visited by two tribal deities at her hogan near Big Mountain in northeast Arizona. The deities, one of whom was identified as Maasaw, appeared as old men. They warned Yazzie that "drought, poverty and desolation on the reservation are all proof that the Navajos are in grave danger if they continue to forsake their traditions."

In June 1996, the Star Knowledge Conference and Sun Dance was held on the Yankton Indian Reservation in South Dakota. The gathering was convoked in response to a vision received by Standing Elk, a spiritual leader of the Lakota Sioux. According to the vision (and in fulfillment of Sioux and Hopi prophecies), Native Americans were to share their knowledge about extra-terrestrial Star Nations. Shamans and spokespersons from a dozen tribes came because they too had seen signs which indicated that they were to reveal their secret oral traditions about their tribal origins among the stars, and the return of the Star nations.

In his address, Oglala Sioux holy man Floyd Hand said that "Each Native American tribe has its extra-terrestrial race [ancestors]. The Star People will return in the latter part of the 1990s. Changes will happen as their time draws near. The first sign is floods, fire, and earthquakes. There will be a world Great Drought in 1997-1999. Many will starve. There will be destruction of electrical and sewer lines, loss of cities and many lives. In 1998 White Buffalo Calf Woman is coming back to Turtle Island [North America]. There are four omens. The First Omen was the recent birth of a white buffalo calf on a White ranch, whose hide eventually turned the other colors of the Four Nations (yellow, red and black). The Second Omen was the birth of another white buffalo calf to a Sioux rancher, but it died... The Third Omen was a third white calf, but no one is listening despite human suffering and death. The Fourth Omen will be the Star People coming and visiting in Santa Fe, New Mexico."

The Dakota shaman Wambdi Wicasu (Deer Man) advised the gathering that "The Star Nations are here to help us... We have to help the Earth come back into balance. Time as you know it is coming to an end, and sooner than you think. There will be no more cars or TVs.

Judi Pope Koteen transmitted the following prophecy as it was told to Ghost Wolf, a Lakota pipe carrier and ceremonial leader:

"I will tell you a prophecy given to me by a Grandmother of the Seneca people. She told me we must work with the women to help heal their pain. In these times that are coming, she told me, we must learn to help women regain their power. If the women do not reclaim their power, it is told, the world will be lost. Because the men no longer act like men. They are not noble or proud, and they do not hold the words of the Creator close to their hearts.

"Men have become sick with ego, sick with greed, lost in confusion. They are no longer leaders, so their children do not learn, and the children wander aimlessly through life, without spirit. A human without spirit is like a ship without a sail. All you can do is float around, hoping to find a harbor.

"The Grandmother told me that in these times it will be the women who come to listen to these ways. It is the women who will remember who they are. Because women have lived for many thousands of years now, knowing who they were but never being able to speak the truth through their mouths. When the people left the Good Red Road and began to walk the black ribbon of road, the women were suppressed because the women kept warning the men that they were wandering from the ways...

"Heal the women. Then the women can heal the men, and together they can heal the earth.

"I will speak to you now of another prophecy. In the next decade, the Star People that you call meteorites will come to this earth in answer to the Mother’s call for help. You see, we are all relations. So the Star People are beings, and they are the planets, and the other bodies in the heavens as well.

"The Sacred Mother is screaming for life and the meteorites will hear her cries and answer her call for help. They will hit the earth from the heavens with such force that many internal things will happen as well as external. The earth will move as a result of the impact. This will cause the sacred fire that is the source of all life to the Mother to move through her body. She is like a Great Bird within the egg, trying to crack out...

"The rains will change their fall and the winds will alter their course and what has existed for 300 years will no longer exist. And where there is summer, there will be fall. And where there is fall, there will be winter. And where there is winter, there will be spring.

"The animals and plants will become confused. The animals will think it is spring in the winter, and the cherries will come to blossom, and die in the frost. And in the summer, the winds will come from the North and the blanket of purity will fall and the fruit will die. And the animals that you raise will not be able to graze... These are the changes the Mother will warn us with.

"There will be great plagues that you do not understand. Many of these plagues are born from your scientists whose intentions have gone awry. Your scientists have let these monsters loose upon the land. These plagues will spread through your waters and through your blood and through your food because you have disrupted the natural chain through which your Mother cleanses herself.

"Only those who have learned to live on the land where the waters run pure... will find sanctuary. Go to where the eagles fly, to where the wolf roams, to where the bear lives. Here you will find life because they will always go to where the water is pure and the air can be breathed. Live where the trees, the lungs of this earth, purify the air. Go to where the trees give, from their breath to you, the cleansing and the purity, to where they protect you from the plagues... Snow is the great purifier. Go to where the blanket of snow heals. Learn to live in these places. You will live through the changes... There is a time coming, beyond the weather. The veil between the physical and the spiritual world is thinning; it is coming back to life..." (15)

12. Tecumseh ~

The great Shawnee chief, Tecumseh, was a warrior, a diplomat, a peacemaker and a prophet. He accurately prophesied to the day the great earthquake at New Madrid, IL (December 18, 1811) several months before it occurred. Tecumseh and his brother organized a confederacy of tribes to fight the menace of the United States. After the Battle of Tippecanoe (1811), in which his brother Tenskwatawa was defeated, Chief Techumseh sent a message, delivered by prisoners he released to General William H. Harrison:

"Harrison will not win this year to be the great chief. But he may win next year. If he does, he will not finish his term. He will die in office."

One of the prisoners argued, "But Chief Tecumseh, no president has ever died in office".

"Harrison will die, I tell you," Tecumseh said. "And when he dies you will remember the deaths of my people. You think that I have lost my powers: I who caused the sun to darken and red men to give up firewater. But I tell you Harrison will die. And after him, every great chief chosen every twenty years thereafter will die. And when each one dies, let everyone remember the death of our people."

Before Tecumseh left for the Battle of the Thames in Canada (October 13, 1813), he gave away his possessions and made this prophecy to Tenskwatawa:

"Brother, be of good cheer. Before one winter shall pass, the chance will yet come to build our nation and drive the Americans from our land. If this should fail, then a curse shall be upon the great chief of the Americans, if they shall ever pick Harrison to lead them.

"His days in power shall be cut short. And for every twenty winters following, the days in power of the great chief which they shall select shall be cut short. Our people shall not be the instrument to shorten their time. Either the Great Spirit shall shorten their days or their own people shall shoot them.

"This is not all. Each contest to select their great chief shall be marked by sharp divisions within their nation. Within seven winters of each contest, there shall be a war among their people, either within their nation or with other nations, I know not which. Our people shall prosper only if they can avoid these wars."

When President Harrison died of pneumonia on April 4, 1841, many began to believe in Tecumseh's curse. Since then, every president elected in a "0" year has been shot or otherwise died in office.

L.J. Jensen noted, in 1935, that since 1840, when Saturn and Jupiter began conjuncting in earth signs, every U.S. President who was elected in those periods died during his term in office: William Harrison (1841, pneumonia), Abraham Lincoln (1865, assassinated), James Garfield (1881), William McKinley (1901), Warren Harding (1923), Franklin Roosevelt (1945), and John F. Kennedy (1963, assassinated). Only two presidents elected at 20-year intervals before 1840 did not die in office: Thomas Jefferson and James Monroe. (30, 31)

The last conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn occurred in 1980 in the air sign Libra. President Reagan was shot soon after but was resurrected. The next conjunction of Saturn and Jupiter will be in 23o Taurus in May 2000, affecting the reign of President-select George W. Bush, Jr.

The 20-year cycle has been analyzed by the Fisher Exact Probability test and yields a statistical significance level of 0.00004, which is to say that there is only a very low possibility that the 20-year cycle is due to chance.

The statistical and theoretical difficulties of analyzing the cycle have been treated by the mathematician Michael Capobianco using a more conservative technique which still yields statistically significant results (0.012). According to Capobianco, "There is slightly better than one chance in a hundred that the seven deaths would have occurred in this way... The average interval of 20.44 years [between presidential deaths in office] is nearly the same length as the interval for the double cycle in sunspots (21.22 years). Furthermore, the presidential deaths always occurred near the extreme dip in the sunspot cycle". In the opinion of astrologer David Williams, "The cycle became inoperative in 1981 because the Jupiter-Saturn conjunction fell in the air sign of Libra."

13. Stalking Wolf ~

In the 1920s, the Apache elder Stalking Wolf, who was the mentor of master tracker Tom Brown, Jr., received this horrid vision of the self-destruction of white men in North America. Only one sign remains to be fulfilled before the Purification begins:

"The Earth is dying. The destruction of man is close, so very close, and we must all work to change that path of destruction. We must pay for the sins of our grandfathers and grandmothers, for we have long been a society that kills its grandchildren to feed its children. There can be no rest, and we cannot run away; far too many in the past have run away. It is very easy to live a spiritual life away from man, but the truth of Vision, in spiritual life, can only be tested and become a reality when lived near society...

"I had a Vision... of the destruction of man. But man was given four warnings to that destruction, two of which gave man a chance to change his ways and two of which would give the children of the Earth time to escape the Creator’s wrath...

"They will be obvious to you and to those who have learned to listen to the spirit of the Earth, but to those who live within the flesh and know only flesh, there is no knowing or understanding. When these signs, these warnings and prophecies, are made manifest, then you will understand the urgency of what I speak. Then you will understand why people must not just work for their own spiritual rapture but to bring that rapture to the consciousness of modern man."

The spirit of a warrior appeared to Stalking Wolf and transported him to another time and place, saying:

"These are the things yet to come that will mark the destruction of man. These things you may never see, but you must work to stop them and pass these warnings on to your grandchildren. They are the possible futures of what will come to pass if man does not obey the laws of Creation and the Creator. There are four signs, four warnings, that only the children of the earth will understand. Each warning marks the beginning of a possible future, and as each warning becomes reality, so too does the future it marks."

The first sign was of a famine in Africa. Stalking Wolf found himself in a dying village. The spirit of a shaman spoke to him, saying:

"Welcome to what will be called the land of starvation. The world will one day look upon all of this with horror and will blame the famine on the weather and the Earth. This will be the first warning to the world that man cannot live beyond the laws of Creation, nor can he fight Nature. If the world sees that it is to blame for this famine, this senseless starvation, then a great lesson will be learned. But I am afraid that the world will not blame itself but that the blame will be placed on Nature. The world will not see that it created this place of death by forcing these people to have larger families. When the natural laws of the land were broken, the people starved, as Nature starves the deer in winter when their numbers are too many for the land to bear...

"These people should have been left alone. They once understood how to live with the Earth, and their wealth was measured in happiness, love and peace. But all of that was taken from them when the world saw theirs as a primitive society. It was then that the world showed them how to farm and live in a less primitive way. It was the world that forced them to live outside the laws of creation and as a result is now forcing them to die...

"This will be the first sign. There will come starvation before and after this starvation, but none will capture the attention of the world with such impact as does this one. The children of the Earth will know the lessons that are held in all of this pain and death, but the world will only see it as drought and famine, blaming Nature instead of itself."

The warrior spirit again appeared and spoke to Stalking Wolf:

"It is during the years of the famine, the first sign, that man will be plagued by a disease... that will sweep the land and terrorize the masses. The white coats [doctors] will have no answers for the people and a great cry will arise across the land. The disease will be born of monkeys, drugs and sex. It will destroy man from the inside, making common sickness a killing disease. Mankind will bring this disease upon himself as a result of his life, his worship of sex and drugs, and a way of life away from Nature. This, too, is a part of the first warning, but again man will not heed this warning and he will continue to worship the false gods of sex and the unconscious spirit of drugs.

"The drugs will produce wars in the cities of man, and the nations will arise against those wars, against that killing disease. But the nations will fight in the wrong way, lashing out at the effect rather than the cause. It will never win these wars until the nation, until society, changes its values and stops chasing the gods of sex and drugs. It is then, in the years of the first sign, that man can change the course of the probable future. It is then that there can still be hope. But once the second sign of destruction appears, the Earth can no longer be healed on a physical level. Only a spiritual healing can then change the course of the probable futures of mankind."

In the third part of his vision, "The landscape appeared drier, there was no vegetation to be seen, and animals lay dying. A great stench of death arose from the land... The sun seemed to be larger and more intense; no birds or clouds could be seen; the air seemed thicker still. It was then that the sky seemed to surge and huge holes began to appear. The holes tore with a thunderous sound, and the very Earth, rocks and soil shook.

"The skin of the sky seemed to be torn open like a series of gaping wounds, and through these wounds seeped a liquid that seemed like the oozing of an infection...

The spirit warrior said to Stalking Wolf, "Holes in the sky... will become the second sign of the destruction of man. The holes in the sky and all that you have seen could become man’s reality. It is here that man must heed the warning and work harder to change the future at hand. But man must not only work physically, he must also work spiritually, through prayer, for only through prayer can man now hope to heal the Earth and himself...

"These holes are a direct result of man’s life, his travel, and of the sins of his grandfathers and grandmothers. These holes, the second sign, will mark the killing of his grandchildren and will become a legacy to man’s life away from nature. It is the time of these holes that will mark a great transition in mankind’s thinking. They will then be faced with a choice, a choice to continue following the path of destruction or a choice to move back to the philosophy of the Earth and a simpler existence. It is here that the decision must be made, or all will be lost..."

The first sign was the famine in Biafra and the outbreak of AIDS. The second sign obviously refers to the huge holes now appearing in the Earth’s ozone layer. In Stalking Wolf’s third vision, "The sky suddenly turned back to a liquid and then turned blood red. As far as his eyes could see, the sky was solid red, with no variation in shadow, texture or light... As sunset drifted to night, the stars shone red, the color never leaving the sky, and everywhere was heard the cries of fear and pain.

"This, then, is the third sign, The Night of the Bleeding Stars. It will become known throughout the world, for the sky in all lands will be red with the blood of the sky, day and night. It is then, with the sign of the third probable future, that there is no longer hope. Life on Earth as man has lived it will come to an end, and there can be no turning back, physically or spiritually. It is then, if things are not changed during the second sign, that man will surely know the destruction of the Earth is at hand. It is then that the children of the Earth must run to the wild places and hide. For when the sky bleeds fire, there will be no safety in the world of man...

"From this time, when the stars bleed, to the fourth and final sign will be four seasons of peace. It is in these four seasons that the children of the Earth must live deep in the wild places and find a new home, close to the Earth and the Creator. It is only the children of the Earth who will survive, and they must live the philosophy of the Earth, never returning to the thinking of man. And survival will not be enough, for the children of the Earth must also live close to the spirit. So tell them not to hesitate if and when this third sign becomes manifest in the stars, for there are but four seasons to escape."

In his fourth vision, the voice of a child spoke to Stalking Wolf, saying:

"The fourth and final sign will appear through the next ten winters following the night that the stars will bleed. During this time the Earth will heal itself and man will die. For those ten years the children of the Earth must remain hidden in the wild places, make no permanent camps, and wander to avoid contact with the last remaining forces of man. They must remain hidden, like the ancient scouts and fight the urge to go back to the destruction of man. Curiosity could kill many...

"There will be a great famine throughout the world, like man cannot imagine. Waters will run vile, the poisons of man’s sins running strong in the waters of the soils, lakes and rivers. Crops will fail, the animals of man will die, and diseases will kill the masses. The grandchildren will feed upon the remains of the dead, and all about will be the cries of pain and anguish. Roving bands of men will hunt and kill other men for food, and water will always be scarce, getting scarcer with each passing year. The land, the water, the sky will all be poisoned, and man will live in the wrath of the Creator. Men will hide at first in the cities, but there he will die. A few will run to the wilderness, but the wilderness will destroy them, for they had long ago been given a choice. Man will be destroyed, his cities in ruin, and it is then that the grandchildren will pay for the sins of their grandfathers and grandmothers...

"There is only hope during the time of the first and second signs. Upon the third sign, the night of the bleeding stars, there is no longer hope, for only the children of the Earth will survive. Man will be given these warnings; if unheeded, there can be no hope, for only the children of the Earth will purge themselves of the cancers of mankind, of mankind’s destructive thinking. It will be the children of the Earth who will bring a new hope to the new society, living closer to the Earth and spirit." (16)

14. Mary No-Eyes ~

Mary No-Eyes was an elderly Shoshone woman, blind but gifted with clairvoyance and prophecy. During the 1980s she told her prophecies to Mary Summer Rain, who recorded and published them. Speaking in broken English, Mary No-Eyes said:

"Earth Mother in bad labor. She gonna give birth to something great. She already in first labor hours... She be in great pain now... It be great Phoenix that gonna rise up again just like all times ago. He already here... He been forming for years now. He all ready to break out of Earth Mother’s womb... She gonna give up great Phoenix soon..."

In her summary of "The Phoenix Chronicles", Mary Summer Rain listed some signs of the times and the birth of the Phoenix:

"Contraction/Economic Aspects --- massive blue collar strikes, relocation of key factories overseas, computerization of factories, extended import & export embargoes & taxations, increased unemployment, widespread factory shutdowns, excessive taxation, small business failures, insolvency of many banks, stock market misdealings & decline, drastic construction decline, devaluation of real estate, increase in corporate crime, drop in level of manufactured goods, increase of corporate monopolies & takeovers, widespread layoffs, runaway credit purchases, cash as only accepted tender.

"Emerging/Natural Disasters --- Major devastation in California, earthquakes in new areas, inactive craters become unsettled, mountains become unstable, return of the dust bowl, record-breaking flooding, tornadoes increase intensity and occasion, liquefaction of soil beneath faults, increased hurricane devastation, freak wind gusts & accidents, soil erosion, increased radon levels, rock & mud slides, insect infestations, sink holes, rapid temperature inversions, frigid winters & deadly blizzards, summer storms with intensified hail & lightning, seeping natural gas (fires & explosions), underground fires, widespread surface blazes, major quake of the New Madrid Fault... Greenish hue to atmosphere... Phoenix days...

"Eyes Searching/Transportation Accidents --- Plane crashes increase, shipping disasters increase, higher incidence of train derailments & accidents.

"Listening/Freak Deaths & Accidents --- Amusement park disasters, increase in homicide & suicide, freak household accidents, disease outbreaks, several catastrophic propane explosions, germ warfare release accident.

"Breath Heaving/Discord Between Nations --- Grave economical differences, arms escalation, warring altercations, terrorism increases, undeclared wars, clandestine dealing between countries, high level secrecy.

"Wings Flexing/Spiritual Unrest & Awakening --- Questioning masses, political church actions, government interventions, repression from certain religious sects, increased UFO sightings, interaction with other intelligences, acceptance of paranormal, acceptance of ongoing spirit afterlife, more religious sects going to court to force their personal restrictions on general public.

"The Wailing/Nuclear Incident ---Several close meltdowns & leaks, seeping radioactive dump sites, two catastrophic meltdowns, radioactive pollution of land & rivers, several major accidents of nuclear missile trucks carriers and the transportation of nuclear waste, radioactive releases caused from geological instability.

"Talons Tensing/Civil Unrest --- People’s revolt and resistance movements, draft evasion, public’s discovery of coverups, nuclear exchange.

"Crouching/Massive Revolts & Government Turnaround -- Taxation refusals, war resistance, policy disagreements within government body, major upheavals within governments.

"Flying Free/Rise of the Age of Peace --- Total equality among people, discontinuance of all meat ingestion, construction reforms, cessation of most severe natural disasters, pollution-free energy innovations by way of the Earth’s magnetic field, rise of the Indian nation through widespread adaptation of its Ways of natural living and deep human philosophy."(17)

15. Sun Bear ~

The Ojibwa shaman Sun Bear (d. 1993) was founder of the Bear tribe (Washington). In his book Black Dawn/Bright Day (written with Wabun Wind), Sun Bear gave warning of Earth Changes. (18)

According to Sun Bear, old Ojibwa pictographs, written on birch bark scrolls, tell this prophecy:

"[Our great ancestors] saw the coming of the Europeans to this continent. They saw the kinds of hats they would be wearing. They saw how they would look and the kind of canoes they would have. They were told that if these people came in a sacred manner and accepted the knowledge that was given them by the people of this continent, then it would be a beautiful thing. We would walk as brothers and sisters on the land.

"It soon became obvious that the Europeans didn’t respect the sacred teachings of the land. Our prophecies said that if this happened, there would come a time when we would lie in the dust for 100 years or more as if we were dead. Even our own people wouldn’t respect our teachings, and both Native and non-Native people would fail to understand them. Some Natives would turn from the teachings and be lured away saying, ‘This is a better teaching.’

"Our prophecies also said that at the end of that 100 years, we would be walking on our hind legs again. We would be alive as if we were Earth spirits just reborn. We would stand up and have our power again. We would be able to call in the forces --- the thunder and the lightning and the storms --- and communicate with these powers all the time because this is part of our ancient knowledge. We would have these abilities again, and we would return to the sacred path.

"At that time, our sons and daughters would again come to us and ask to be taught the sacred ways. And the sons and daughters of the people who had come across the great Water would come to us too. they would say, ‘teach us, for we are about to destroy the Earth.’ This is the stage we are at right now...

"Another prophecy of my Native people speaks of a time when the Earth would hold back her increase: one area would be too wet; another too dry. One place would be too hot; another, too cold. this is what we are experiencing now... Another part of the prophecy states that the rivers will change their courses."

Sun Bear also described one of his Dreams of Destruction:

"Over a period of time I have had many, many dreams that showed the coming of the Earth changes... One reason that I organized the Bear Tribe as a rural-base community was because I saw in my dreams major destruction coming to the cities.

"I saw a time when the cities wouldn’t exist in their present state. During the changes the most dangerous places will be near cities with nuclear and chemical plants. But all major cities will experience a breakdown in services. In my dreams, I’ve seen great garbage piles on the streets, the electric service out of order because of storms and earthquakes, broken water mains, and no more gasoline because of a major breakdown of the system.

"I also foresee race riots in the big cities, with street gangs engaged in uncontrolled fighting against each other, using guns to get what they want. When there is no money to pay their salaries, the police will not be there to protect the people in the city. Instead, in one of my dreams, I saw the police banded together in groups calling themselves the ‘Brothers of the Gun.’ They were using their guns to take whatever they wanted. This is already happening in other parts of the world...

"I see the cities being hit by major epidemics caused by bad water, toxic chemicals, or other things...

"In my dreams, I’ve also seen wheat crops that had rusted. They had candy-like clumps of rust, a serious disease that was destroying the crops. There were great black birds like crows or vultures, just waiting. With nothing left to eat, these birds were scavenging bodies as humans died... In my dreams I see diseases like this continuing to cause great destruction...

"In my dreams I’ve also seen small bands of people living very close to the Earth. I saw that other people would come to join them, and they would embrace these newcomers. All they said to them was, ‘You have survived.’ There were no more ‘isms’ in the world --- not Catholicism, not Communism, nothing. We were all just human beings living on the Earth in a sacred manner...

"I see about one-fourth of the world’s population surviving. All those who do survive will come through with a higher level of consciousness..."

As the United States of America swaggers and stumbles its way into the 21st century, it does so in general ignorance of its prophetic destination. The establishment, growth, decline and regeneration of the USA was prophecied long ago, before 20th century globalist engineers took on the task of manipulating freedom. Meanwhile, we appear to be condemned to yet another cycle of the historical patterns that preceding civilizations have exhibited before they disintegrated. We shall fulfill many ugly prophecies in the meanwhile. The following compilation comprises most of the corpus of predictions by Americans concerning the various fates and destinies of the USA in the early 21st century.

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16. George Washington ~

The "Vision of Washington in the winter of 1777 is one of the most fascinating of all American prophecies, and perhaps the best-known. Washington is said to have told his vision to Anthony Sherman, who allegedly had wintered at Valley Forge in 1777-78. Sherman recounted it to Wesley Bradshaw, publisher of the National Stripes, where it was published in 1880. There is no apparent evidence to corroborate the story, though Anthony Sherman did serve as a soldier in the Continental Army. When he wrote his pension application, however, he stated that at the end of 1777 he was under the command of Benedict Arnold at Saratoga; he did not join the main force of the army until 1778, just before the Battle of Monmouth. Here is the text:

"The last time I ever saw Anthony Sherman was on the 4th of July, 1859, in Independence Square. He was then 99 years old, and becoming very feeble. But though so old, his dimming eyes rekindled as he gazed upon Independence Hall, which he had come to visit once more.

"‘Let’s go into the hall’, he said. ‘I want to tell you of an incident in Washington’s life --- one which no one alive knows of except myself; and if you live, you will before long see it verified. Mark the prediction; you will see it verified.

"‘From the beginning of the revolution we experienced all phases of fortune, now good and now ill, one time victorious and another conquered. The darkest period we had, I think, was when George Washington, after several reverses, retreated to Valley Forge, where he resolved to pass the winter of 1777.

"‘Ah, I have often seen tears coursing down our dear commander’s care-worn cheeks, as he would be conversing with a confidential officer about the condition of his poor soldiers. You have doubtless heard the story of Washington going to the thicket to pray. Well, it was not only true, but he used to pray in secret for aid and comfort. And God brought us safely through the darkest days of tribulation.

"‘One day, I remember it well, the chilly winds whispered through the leafless trees, though the sky was cloudless and the sun shone brightly. He noticed that his face was a shade paler than usual, and there seemed to be something on his mind of more than ordinary importance. After a preliminary conversation of about half an hour, Washington, gazing upon his companion with that strange look of dignity which he alone could command, said to the latter:

"‘I do not know whether it is owing to the anxiety of my mind, or what, but this afternoon, as I was sitting at this table engaged in preparing a dispatch, something in the apartment seemed to disturb me. Looking up I beheld standing opposite me a singularly beautiful being. So astonished was I, for I had given strict orders not to be disturbed, that it was some moments before I found language to inquire the cause of the visit. A second, a third, and even a fourth time did I repeat the question, but received no answer from my mysterious visitor except a slight raising of the eyes.

"‘By this time I felt strange sensations spreading over me. I would have risen but the riveted gaze of the being before me rendered volition impossible. I assayed once more to speak but my tongue had become useless, as if paralyzed. A new influence, mysterious, potent, irresistable, took possession of me. All I could do was to gaze steadily, vacantly, at my unknown visitor.

"‘Gradually the surrounding atmosphere seemed to fill with sensations, and grew luminous. Everything about me seemed to rarify, the mysterious visitor also becoming more airy, and yet more distinct to my eyes than before. I began to feel as one dying, or rather to experience the sensations which I have sometimes imagined accompany death. I did not think, I did not reason, I did not move. All alike were impossible. I was only conscious of gazing fixedly, vacantly at my companion.

"‘Presently I heard a voice saying, ‘Son of the Republic, look and learn,’ while at the same time my visitor extended an arm eastward.

"‘Now I beheld a heavy white vapor at some distance rising fold upon fold. This gradually dissipated, and I looked upon a strange scene. Before me lay, spread out in one vast plain all the countries of the world --- Europe, Asia, Africa, and America. I saw rolling and tossing between Europe and America the billows of the Atlantic, and between Asia and America lay the Pacific. ‘Son of the Republic,’ said the mysterious voice as before, ‘Look and learn.’

"‘At that moment I beheld a dark shadowy being like an angel, standing or rather floating in mid-air between Europe and America. Dipping water out of the ocean in the hollow of each hand, he sprinkled some upon America with his right hand, while with his left he cast some over Europe. Immediately a cloud arose from these countries and joined in mid-ocean. For a while it seemed stationary, and then it moved slowly westward until it enveloped America in its murky folds. Sharp flashes of lightning gleamed through it at intervals, and I heard the smothered groans and cries of the American people.

"‘A second time the angel dipped from the ocean and sprinkled it out as before. The dark cloud was then drawn back into the ocean in whose heaving billows it sank as before.

"‘A third time I heard the mysterious voice saying, ‘Son of the Republic, look and learn.’ I cast my eyes upon America and beheld villages and towns and cities springing up one after another until the whole land from the Atlantic to the Pacific was dotted with them. Again I heard the mysterious voice saying, ‘Son of the Republic, the end of the century cometh; look and learn.’

"‘And this time the dark shadowy angel turned his face southward. From Africa I saw an ill-omened spectre approach our land. It flitted slowly and heavily over every town and city of the latter. The inhabitants presently set themselves in battle array against each other. As I continued looking, I saw a bright angel on whose brow rested a crown of light on which was traced the word ‘Union.’ He was bearing the American flag. He placed the flag between the divided nation and said, ‘Remember, ye are brethren.’

"‘Instantly, the inhabitants, casting down their weapons, became friends once more and united around the National Standard.

"‘Again I heard the mysterious voice saying, ‘Son of the Republic, look and learn.’ At this the dark shadowy angel placed a trumpet to his mouth and blew three distinct blasts; and taking water from the ocean, he sprinkled it upon Europe, Asia and Africa.

"‘Then my eyes beheld a fearful scene. From each of these continents arose thick black clouds that were soon joined into one. And through this mass there gleamed a dark red light by which I saw hordes of armed men. These men, moving with the cloud, marched by land and sailed by sea to America, which country was enveloped in the volume of the cloud. And I dimly saw the vast armies devastate the whole country and burn the villages, towns and cities which I had seen springing up.

"‘As my ears listened to the thundering of the cannon, clashing of swords, and the shouts and cries of millions in mortal combat, I again heard the mysterious voice saying, ‘Son of the Republic, look and learn.’ When this voice had ceased, the dark shadowy angel placed his trumpet once more to his mouth and blew a long and fearful blast.

"‘Instantly a light as of a thousand suns shone down from above me and pierced and broke into fragments the dark cloud which enveloped America. At the same moment the angel upon whose head still shone the word ‘Union’ and who bore our national flag in one hand and a sword in the other, descended from the heavens attended by legions of white spirits. These immediately joined the inhabitants of America, who I perceived were well-nigh overcome but who immediately, taking courage again, closed up their broken ranks and renewed the battle.

"‘Again, amidst the fearful noise of the conflict I heard the mysterious voice saying, ‘Son of the Republic, look and learn.’ As the voice ceased, the shadowy angel for the last time dipped water from the ocean and sprinkled it upon America. Instantly the dark cloud rolled back, together with the armies it had brought, leaving the inhabitants of the land victorious.

"‘Then once more I beheld the villages, towns and cities springing up where I had seen them before, while the bright angel, planting the azure standard he had brought in the midst of them, cried with a loud voice, ‘While the stars remain, and the heavens send down dew upon the earth, so long shall the union last.’ And taking from his brow the crown on which blazoned the word, ‘Union,’ he placed it upon the standard while the people kneeling down said, ‘Amen.’

"‘The scene instantly began to fade and dissolve, and I at last saw nothing but the rising, curling vapor I at first beheld. This also disappeared, and I found myself once more gazing upon the mysterious visitor, who, in the same voice I had heard before, said, ‘Son of the Republic, what you have seen is thus interpreted. Three great perils will come upon the republic. The most fearful for her is the third. But the whole world united shall not prevail against her. Let every child of the republic learn to live for God, his land and Union.’ With these words the vision vanished, and I started from my seat and felt that I had seen a vision wherein had been shown me the birth, the progress, and destiny of the United States.’" (19)

The first peril foreseen by Washington was that of the War of Independence, the second danger was the Civil War, and the third will be a second revolution and civil war, complicated by the invasion of America by armies from Asia, Africa, and even Europe. The reference to "a light as of a thousand suns" suggests that nuclear weapons might be used to destroy the invaders.

17. Molly Pitcher ~

Two women, both named Molly Pitcher, figured as heroines in the American Revolution, and sometimes they are confused with each other. The best known Molly Pitcher was Mrs. Mary Hayes, wife of an artilleryman in the Continental Army. At the battle of Monmouth she carried water for the troops, and so was nicknamed "Molly Pitcher". When her husband was wounded, she took his position and kept firing the cannon for the duration of the battle. General Washington commissioned her as a sergeant to reward her bravery.

The other Molly Pitcher was a renowned seeress, born Mary (Molly) Diamond. She married Robert Pitcher, a shoemaker, when she was 20 years old.

Molly’s ability as a psychic gave her access to British military secrets which she passed on to the revolutionaries. When General Washington took command of the American Army at Cambridge on July 3, 1775, Mary was presented to Washington as the "Daughter of our regiment". Washington said, "You have adopted a sibyl and a saint."

During the ceremony, Molly had a vision which she late told to Washington: an eagle hovered over him without unfolding its wings. Not until several years later was the eagle chosen as our national bird.

Molly Pitcher also predicted several inventions, some of which remain to be discovered: "Thousands shall go behind a curl of smoke" (locomotives); "Carriages will go at lightning speed and none shall see what propelled them" (automobiles); "Men will ascend and descend Jacob’s Ladder of heaven like angels" (the NASA space program), and cable tv: "Magnificent music will be conducted on wires hundreds of miles away and will play at the instigation of man."

As foreseen by Molly Pitcher, in the future "Men shall arise who will command the storms, turning and directing them at pleasure. Great heat will be prevented by the use of clouds which can be turned on or off at will, and water shall be pumped from them where drought is upon the earth. The frozen water in winter shall be thawed by glorious sunbeams led by sun conductors and several other wonderful inventions." (20)

18. General George McClellan ~

General George B. McClellan, chief of the Union Armies, had a dream vision that saved Washington DC and the Union itself in the second summer of the Civil War. The first published account appeared in The Evening Courier (Portland, ME) on March 8, 1862. (20)

At 2 a.m. of the third night after arriving in Washington to take command of the U.S. Army, General McClellan fell asleep while studying his map table. He had been asleep for about ten minutes when he imagined that the locked door of his room suddenly was thrown open. Someone entered and said in a powerful voice, "General McClellan, do you sleep at your post? Rouse you, or ere it can be prevented the foe will be in Washington."

The general felt as though he were suspended in a void of infinite space. The voice continued to speak "from a hollow distance all about". He thought that he awoke from his sleep, but while the map table remained, the surrounding room had vanished, and he gazed upon a living map of the entire USA from the Atlantic Ocean to the Mississippi River. The mysterious being beside him appeared only as a ghostly, man-shaped vapor.

McClellan was amazed to see troop movements and the entire distribution of Confederate forces, and he was elated with the prospect of the victory he could realize with this new knowledge. But then he saw Confederates moving into select positions which he had chosen to occupy, and he realized that the enemy knew his plans. The voice spoke:

"General McClellan, you have been betrayed, and had God not willed otherwise, ere the sun of tomorrow had set, the Confederate flag would have waved above the Capitol and your own grave. But note what you see. Your time is short."

While the voice continued to describe the Confederate positions, McClellan wrote on his own map, making notes from the living map around him. The rest of his vision concerns what is now our near future:

"I had been conscious of a shining light on my left that steadily increased until the moment I ceased my task, when it became, in an instant, more intense than the noonday sun. Quickly I raised my eyes, and never, were I to live forever, should I forget what I saw. The dim, shadowy figure was no longer a dim, shadowy one, but a glorified, refulgent figure of Washington, Father of his Country, and now, for the second time, its savior.

"My friend, it would be utterly impossible for me to attempt to describe the majesty of that returned spirit. I can only say that Washington, as I beheld him in my dream (or trance as you may choose to call it), was the most God-like being I could have ever conceived of. Like a weak, dazzled bird, I sat gazing at the heavenly vision from the sweet and silent repose of Mt. Vernon. Our Washington had risen, to once more encircle and raise up with his saving arms our fallen and bleeding country. As I continued looking, an expression of sublime benignity came gently upon his face and for the last time I heard that slow, solemn voice saying something like this:

"General McClellan, while yet in the flesh I beheld the birth of the American Republic. It was indeed a hard and bloody one, but God’s blessing was upon the nation, and therefore, through this great struggle for existence, He sustained her with His mighty hand and brought her out triumphantly. A century has not passed since then, and yet the child republic has taken her position, a peer with nations whose pages of history extend for ages into the past. She has (since those days, by the favor of God) greatly prospered and now, by the very reason of this prosperity, she has been brought to her second struggle, this so far the most perilous ordeal she has to suffer in passing, as she is, from childhood to opening maturity.

"She is called upon to accomplish that vast result --- self-conquest --- to learn that important lesson --- self-control, self-rule, that in the future will place her in the van of power and civilization. It is here that all the nations hitherto have failed, and she, too, the republic of the earth, had God willed otherwise, would by tomorrow’s sunset, have been a heap of stones, cast up over the final grave of human liberty. But her cries have come up out of the borders like sweet incense unto heaven. She shall be saved. Then shall peace once more be upon her, and prosperity shall fill her with joy.

"But her mission will not then be accomplished, for ere another century shall have gone by THE OPPRESSORS OF THE WHOLE EARTH, hating and envying her and her exaltation, SHALL JOIN THEMSELVES TOGETHER AND RAISE UP THEIR HANDS AGAINST HER.

"But if she be found worthy of her high calling, they shall be truly discomfited and then will be ended her third and last struggle for existence. Henceforth shall the Republic go on, increasing in goodness and power, until her borders shall end only in the remotest corners of the earth, and the whole earth shall, beneath her shadowy wings, become a Universal Republic.

"Let her in her prosperity, however, remember the Lord her God. Let her trust in Him and she shall never be confounded."

"I inclined my head to receive his blessing, ‘the baptism of the spirit of Washington.’ The following instant peals of thunder rolled in upon me, and I awoke. The visitor had departed and I again was sitting in my apartment with everything exactly as it was before I fell asleep, with a few exceptions. The maps of which I had dreamed I had been marking were literally covered with a net of pencil signs and figures. I rose to my feet and rubbed my eyes, and took a turn or two around the room to recover myself. I had before me as complete a map and repository of information as though I had spent several years in gathering and recording its details.

"Our beloved, glorious Washington shall again rest quietly, sweetly in his tomb, until perhaps the end of the Prophetic Century approaches once more, laying aside the crements of Mt. Vernon, to become Messenger of Succor and Peace from the Great Ruler, who has all nations of the Earth in his keeping.

"But the future is too vast for our comprehension; we are the children of the present. When peace shall again have folded her bright wings and settled upon our land, the strange, unearthly map marked while the Spirit eyes of Washington looked down, shall be preserved among the American archives, as a precious reminder to the American nation of what in her second great struggle for existence, they owe to God and the Glorified Spirit of Washington. Verily, the works of God are above the understanding of man!"

Convinced of the divine nature of his dream and by the new details on his map, General McClellan immediately rode along the Union front and made strategic changes necessary to meet the Confederates’ plan of attack on Antietam. Thus he succeeded in preventing the capture of the Capitol, and saved the Union. However, he failed to pursue General Lee’s troops, and he was removed from command on account of that error.

19. David Croly ~

David G. Croly (1829-1889) was born in Ireland, and emigrated with his parents to New York. He became a journalist for the New York Evening Post and the Herald, and was editor of World magazine. Croly made his first prediction in 1871, foretelling in detail the Panic of 1873. He began writing the column "Sir Oracle" for the Real Estate Record & Builder’s Guide, intended "to be read today and judged in the year 2000". The columns were reprinted in Croly’s Glimpses of the Future (1888). David Croly accurately predicted that Germany would instigate World War Two. He foretold of India’s independence from British rule, the dominance of the USSR, and new technologies such as motion pictures, photoelectric printing, air travel, and electric power. Croly also made predictions that still await fulfillment. He saw that new states will be formed from Texas and California, and a new Constitution will be adopted under the pressure of radical changes and civil war. The USA will expand to absorb Canada, Central America, and the West Indies. (20)

20. Joseph Smith ~

The Mormons have produced several prophets who foretold of a second civil war in America, and its invasion. The Mormon prophets agree with each other and with George Washington, Gen. McClellan, and several European prophets in their descriptions of the horrors that will be America’s come-uppance. (21)

The Mormon Elder John J. Roberts recorded a prophecy made by Joseph Smith, the founder of the LDS Church, during a grand review of the Nauvoo Legion in May 1843. Theodore Turley also was present at the conversation. Smith said:

"I want to tell you something. I will speak in a parable like unto John the Revelator.

"You will go to the Rocky Mountains and you will be a great and mighty people established there, which I will call the White Horse of Peace and Safety. I shall never go there. Your enemies will continue to follow you with persecutions and will make obnoxious laws against you in Congress to destroy the White Horse, but you will have a friend or two to defend you to throw out the worst part of the laws, so they will not hurt much. You must continue to petition Congress all the time, but they will treat you like strangers and aliens and will not give you your rights but will govern you with strangers and commissioners; you will see the Constitution of the United States almost destroyed; it will hang by a thread, as it were, as fine as the finest silk fiber.

"I love the Constitution; it was made under the inspiration of God, and will be preserved and saved by the efforts of the White Horse and the Red Horse [the Indians] who will combine in its defense. The White Horse will raise an ensign on the tops of the mountains of peace and safety. The White Horse will find the mountains full of minerals and they will become very rich. You will see silver piled up in the streets.

"You will see gold shoveled up like sand. Gold will be of little value even in a mercantile capacity, for the people of the world will have something else to do in seeking for salvation.

"The time will come when the banks in every nation will fail and only two places will be safe where people can deposit their gold and treasures. These places will be the White Horse and England’s vaults.

"A terrible revolution will take place in America such as has never been seen before, for the land will be literally left without a supreme government, and every species of wickedness will be rampant. It will be so terrible that father will be against son, mother against daughter, and daughter against mother. The most terrible scenes of murder, bloodshed, and rapine that has ever been looked on will take place. Peace will be taken from the earth, and there will be peace only in the Rocky Mountains. This will cause many thousands of honest heart to gather there, not because they would be saints but for safety and because they would not take up the sword against their neighbor.

"You will be so numerous that you will be in danger of famine, but not for the want of seed time and harvest, but because of so many to be fed. Many will come with bundles under their arms to escape the calamities, and there will be no escape except by fleeing to Zion.

"Those that come to you will try to keep the laws and be one with you, for they will see your unity and the greatness of your organization.

"The Turkish Empire or the Crescent will be one of the first nations that will be disrupted, for freedom must be given for the Gospel to be preached in the Holy Land.

"The Lord took of the best blood of the nations and planted them on the small islands now known as England and Great Britain, and gave them great power in the nations for a thousand years and their power will continue with them, that they may keep the balance of power and keep Russia from usurping her power all over the world. England and France are now bitter enemies, but they will be allied together and be united to keep Russia from conquering the world.

"The two Popes, Greek and Catholic, will come together and be united…

"While the terrible revolution of which I have spoken is going on, England will be neutral until it becomes so inhuman that she will interfere to stop the shedding of blood. England and France will unite together to subdue the nations; they will find the nations so broken up and so many claiming government, till there will be no responsible government.

"Then it will appear to the other nations or powers as though England had taken possession of the country. The Black horse will flee to the invaders and join with them, for they will have fear of the coming slaves again, knowing England did not believe in slavery; fleeing to them they believe would make them safe; armed with British bayonets, the doings of the Black Horse will be terrible.

"During this time the White Horse will have gathered strength, sending out Elders to gather the honest in hart among the Pale Horse, or people of the United States, as it was given by the inspiration of God.

"In these days God will set up a kingdom, never to be thrown down, for other kingdoms to come unto. And these kingdoms that will not let the Gospel be preached will be humbled until they will.

"England, Germany, Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Switzerland, Holland, and Belgium have a considerable amount of blood of Israel among their people which must be gathered. These nations will submit to the kingdom of God. England will be the last of these kingdoms to surrender, but when she does so it will be as a whole in comparison as she threw off the Catholic power. The nobility know that the Gospel is true but it has not enough pomp and grandeur and influence for them to embrace it. They are proud, and will not acknowledge the Kingdom of God, or come unto it, until they see the power which it will have. Peace and safety in the Rocky Mountains will be protected by a cordon band of the White Horse and the Red Horse.

"The coming of the Messiah among his people will be so natural, that only those who see Him will know that He has come, but he will come and give his laws unto Zion, and minister unto His people. This will not be His coming in the clouds of heaven to take vengeance upon the wicked of the world.

"The Temple in Jackson County will be built in this generation. The saints will think there will not be time to build it, but with all the help you will receive you will put up a great temple quickly. They will have all the gold, silver, and precious stone; for these things only will be used for the beautifying of the temple; all the skilled mechanics you want, and the Ten Tribes of Israel will help you build it. When you see this land bound with iron you may look to Jackson County...

"There is a land beyond the Rocky Mountains that will be invaded by the Chinese unless great care and protection are given... Where there is no law there is no condemnation, and this will apply to them [the heathen nations]. Power will be given to the White Horse to rebuke nations afar off, and they will be one with the White Horse, but when the law goes forth they will obey; for the law will go forth from Zion. The last great struggle that Zion will have to contend with is when the whole of the Americas will be made the Zion of our God. Those opposing will be called Gog and Magog, and their power will be great, but all opposition will be overcome and this land will be the Zion of our God."

Another prophecy uttered by Joseph Smith told how the Saints would go to the Rocky Mountains and become a great and wealthy people. In the latter days, however, Smith said:

"There will be two great political parties in this country. One will be called the Republican, and the other the Democrat party. These two parties will go to war and out of these two parties will spring another party which will be the Independent American Party. The United States will spend her strength and means warring in foreign lands until other nations will say, 'Let's divide up the lands of the United States'; then the people of the US will unite and swear by the blood of their forefathers, that the land shall not be divided. Then the country will go to war, and they will fight until one half of the US Army will give up, and the rest will continue to struggle. They will keep on until they are very ragged and discouraged, and almost ready to give up --- when the boys from the mountains rush forth in time to save the American Army from defeat and ruin. And they will say, 'Brethren, we are glad you have come; give us men, henceforth, who can talk with God'. Then you will have friends, but you will save the country when its liberty hangs by a hair, as it were."

21. Bishop Charles Evans ~

On Christmas night in 1882, the Mormon Bishop Charles D. Evans had a vision in which he saw what is now our present and near future:

"While I continued to state and marvel at the wondrous work before me, all of a sudden the scene vanished, and a new era, resultant, however, from the forces of the religious agencies before mentioned, burst upon my view. The history of American Independence, with the actors therein, passed before me. The Constitution of the United States was emblazoned upon an immense distance. Civil and religious toleration was general throughout the land. Man rejoiced in the privilege of worshipping God according to the dictates of conscience. Prosperity reigned. Angels smiles. Heaven approved. The fetters of political and religious intolerance, forged by the monarchs of the eastern world, were sundered, shall it be said forever? Such was my thought. I was full of joy at the sight; big tears of joy rolled down my cheeks, when all of a sudden, my attention was directed to a personage standing by my bedside, and who was attired in a white and flowing robe. Addressing me, he said, ‘Son of Mortality, look.’

"I looked and beheld a scene most revolting to my senses, from the fact that it was the reverse of the prosperity and religious freedom I had before witnessed. I saw the representatives of one branch of the Republic holding in their hands fetters they themselves had forged.

"The personage, again addressing me, said, ‘Knowest thou the meaning of these?’

"I answered, ‘No.’

"He replied, ‘These are the chains with which certain sons of the Republic, who have tasted the fruit of the tree of liberty, desire to bind their fellows. These are they who seek to subvert the cause of human freedom. These seek to enslave one portion of the children of freedom who differ from them in religious belief and practice. Know thou, my son, that their object is filthy lucre. They plot to take away human rights, and to destroy the freedom of the soul, to possess the homes of the industrious without fee or reward. Their souls shall be in derision, and the heavens shall laugh at their folly. Their calamity slumbereth not. But cast thine eyes eastward and look.’

"I looked and beheld that the bands that held society together during the reign of the republic, were snapped asunder. Society had broken loose from all restraints of principle and good conscience. Brotherhood had dissolved. Respect for common rights and even the rights of life and property had fled from the land. I saw faction after faction arise and contend with each other. Political strife was everywhere. Father and son alike contended in these awful feuds. The spirit of deadly hate... passed through the Republic. Blood was written every banner. The spirit of bloodshed appeared to possess every heart.

"Turning to the person in white I exclaimed, ‘Surely this means the total destruction of our nation.’

"Touching my eyes with his finger, he replied: ‘Look again.’

"I looked and beheld that many who were angry with the rulers of the Republic, for the subversion of the Constitutional law, and their wholesale plunder of the public moneys, arose and proclaimed themselves the friends of the Constitution in its original form. These looked around for some others to sustain the country’s flag inviolate, pledging themselves and their fortunes and sacred honours to that end.

"A voice was suddenly heard declaring these words: ‘In the distant mountain tops are to be found the true lovers of freedom and equal rights, a people who have never made war upon each other. Go there, for only there can your lives and property be secure from the spoiler. There alone can the flag you love wave proudly for the protection of all people, irrespective of creed and color.’

"While thus engaged I cast my eyes to the far west, when suddenly appeared on Ensign Peak, near Salt Lake City, a beautiful flag whereon was written these words: ‘Friends of Human Liberty throughout the world, all hail! We greet you under the flag of freedom, our country’s flag.’ One shout of ‘Welcome’ from the Mountain Sons of Freedom rent the air. I beheld that the multitude wept with joy. The laws were again administered in purity. The people prospered. Tyrants were hurled down. All religious bodies were equally protected before the law. No North, no South, no East, no West, but one unbroken nation whose banner waved for all the world. On this I awoke in tears of joy." (21)

22. Orson Pratt ~

Orson Pratt was a member of the Original Council of the Twelve Apostles of the Mormon Church. This self-explanatory vision of his was recorded in Vol. 20 of the Church’s Journal of Discourses:

"What then will be the condition of the people when the great and dreadful war will come? It will be very different from the war between the North and South. It will be neighborhood against neighborhood, city against city, town against town, state against state, and they will go forth destroying and being destroyed. Manufacturing will almost cease, great cities will be left desolate. The time will come when the great city of New York will be left without inhabitants." (21)

23. Brigham Young ~

Guided by revelation, Brigham Young led a group of Mormons to Promontory Point overlooking Utah’s Great Salt Lake, where they founded Salt Lake City. Young left this prophecy among his Discourses:

"All that you know now can scarcely be called a preface to the sermon that will be preached with fire and sword, tempests, earthquakes, hail, rain and fearful destruction. What matters the destruction of a few railway cars? You will hear of magnificent cities, now idolized by the people, sinking in the earth entombing its inhabitants. The sea will heave itself beyond its bounds, engulfing many cities. Famine will spread over the nation, and nation will rise against nation, kingdom against kingdom, states against states, in our own country and in foreign lands." (21)

24. John Taylor ~

The revelation given to John Taylor, as recorded by Wilford Woodruff, and published in Kraut's Visions of the Latter Days, describes the horror in America:

"I continued on my way passing through Omaha, Council Bluffs, and Iowa, and saw many women moving about in an excited manner. Sickness and death prevailed on all sides. The inhabitants of Illinois and Missouri were in dreadful condition, the men and women killing each other in the most brutal manner.

"Next I visited the City of Washington DC and found the place deserted and in ruins. From there I went to Baltimore and on the square, where stands the monument of 1812, dead bodies of the inhabitants of the place were piled in heaps. While there I saw mothers cut the throats of their own children and drink the blood in order to quench their thirst. The waters of Chesapeake Bay were so befouled from the effect of the dead bodies that the water could not be used. Sickness and death prevailed throughout the city and the stench was something awful..."

Taylor then visited Philadelphia and New York, which suffered likewise:

"The sights that met my view on all sides were so horrible to look upon that it would be impossible for me to describe them.

"After these scenes had passed, I found myself standing on the left bank of the Missouri River, just oppsoite to where stood the City of Independence and soon discovered that the states of Illinois, Missouri, and part of Iowa had been swept clean of its inhabitants and the surrounding country was a complete wilderness...

"I then looked over the country; in every direction as far as I could see, a similar condition prevailed. I then passed eastward above the earth and looking down saw many people coming west, mostly women who were carrying small bundleson their backs, and I thought it strange that there were so few men among them. They were on their way to the mountains, and I wondered how they could get there as the railroads were abandoned and the rails were in bad condition..." (KRAUT, Ogden: The White Horse Prophecy; 1993, Pioneer Press)

25. D. Modin ~

D. Modin is a well-known lecturer, astrologer, newspaper columnist, and author of Prophecy: 1973-2000. He received the following vision in 1947:

"I saw a new World War break out in the Pacific, its center in the Philippines. From there, it spread out to encircle the world. I saw on one side the Christian forces, and on the other side the Buddhist and Mohammedan forces. Throughout the world, I saw destruction of the land, industry at a standstill, and people being killed almost instantly, on a massive scale. I saw the people of a new faith in the far East looking to Palestine for safety.

"Then the war between the nations stopped, and I saw revolution in each of the nations and great natural upheavals, the intent of which seemed to be to break up the old conditions.

"I saw the International Boundary at Blaine, Washington, torn up clear across to Nova Scotia, where it disappeared. The American and Canadian governments broke up in chaos. I saw race rioting upon the American continent on a vast scale. I saw hunger and disease throughout the world. Strife and chaos swept away the world we know. It was my impression that from the start of the Third World War this was all a continuous panorama, with different stages of development appearing simultaneously. First, world conflagration, then the break-down of national governments, followed by starvation, disease, and natural disasters. Then the scene ended." (21)

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Άντε σας έκανα ποδαρικό, για να μην μιλάτε εκτός θέματος.
Βέβαια, από το παραπάνω κάρο με κοτσάνες, λίγα αξίζουν, αλλά τεσπα.

Αφού τελειώστε με αυτήν την ανάλυση, θα σας φέρω και τις Marian Apparitions, και μετά τους Αβορίγινες.

Και μετά, ίσως σας φέρω και την Πυθεία.

Αλλά μόνο αν κάθεστε καλά, γιατί αλλιώς ο μεγάλος πράσινος εξωγήινος που θα έλθει το 2006 στις 30 ακριβώς Φεβρουαρίου θα σας φάει λάχανο.
χαρ χαρ χαρ

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WWalker
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Γνωρίζεις πως μιλάς με Μηχανικό Η/Υ, καθώς και το ότι ο συγκεκριμένος άνθρωπος γνωρίζει το IP σου κανονικά και με τον νόμο, καθ'ότι έκανες register σε forum στο οποίο έχει βάσεις.

Εγώ έχω 1000+1 τρόπους για να μπω σε ένα φορουμ με διαφορετικό ip. θα σου πω έναν, high anonymity http proxy server.

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Απεστάλη: 04/11/2005, 09:59:31  Εμφάνιση Προφίλ  Επισκεφθείτε την Προσωπική Σελίδα του Μέλους GDS1  Απάντηση με Παραπομπή (Quote)
wwalker
"Βασικά, έχω αρχίσει να σε θαυμάζω."

Τώρα ρε WWALKER... άργησες, συνήθως γίνεται αμέσως : )

wwalker
"Γνωρίζεις πως μιλάς με Μηχανικό Η/Υ"

Ναι και....

wwalker
"...καθώς και το ότι ο συγκεκριμένος άνθρωπος γνωρίζει το IP σου κανονικά και με τον νόμο, καθ'ότι έκανες register σε forum στο οποίο έχει βάσεις.
Όχι δεν εννοώ πως έχω σκοπό να σου κάνω κακό, ούτε θέλω να σε απειλήσω, γιατί πρώτον δεν έχω κάποιο πρόβλημα μαζί σου, και δεύτερον δεν με συμφέρει να κάνω κάτι τέτοιο."

Ρε WWALKER δεν καταλαβαίνω τι λες... Μου λες ξέρω που μένεις αλλά δεν θα κάνω τίποτα...τι σόι απειλή είναι αυτή;;;; Αν είναι να με απειλήσεις κάντο κανονικά...αν όχι μην το κάνεις καθόλου....

Τέλος αν είναι να μου κάνεις τσαμπουκά για μια συζήτηση τότε ρε WWALKER τι να πω σε είχα παρεξηγήσει και ως προς το χιούμορ και ως προς τα όλα σου.

Φυσικά σαν Μηχανικός γνωρίζεις ότι η κάθε Δράση έχει και μια Αντίδραση...και εγώ δεν δρω ηλεκτρονικά

wwalker
"Αλλά λίγο τακτ βρε παιδί μου δεν βλάπτει!"

Η συμβουλή που δίνεις καλύτερα να την ξαναδιαβάσεις γιατί ότι έχεις πει μέχρι τώρα μόνο τακτ δεν έχουν

wwalker
"Γι' αυτό σου λέω: ηρέμησε λίγο GDS1, δεν είμαι εγώ ο εχθρός σου, ούτε θέλω το κακό σου. "

Το ίδιο ισχύει και για εμένα WWALKER, αν εσείς αναστατώνεστε τόσο εύκολα από ένα γεια σε άλλο Φόρουμ τι φταιω εγώ

wwalker
"Εκτός αυτού, έχουμε αποδείξει στο παρελθόν και οι δυο μας πως μπορούμε να τα πάμε καλά μεταξύ μας."

Ακριβώς

wwalker
"Σκέψου λογικά λοιπόν."

Εύχομαι το ίδιο να κάνεις και εσύ

wwalker
"Ολάκερη σωβρακοσυζήτηση κάναμε together, τώρα θα τα χαλάσουμε;;;"

Συμφωνώ, δεν το θυμήθηκες όμως όταν έγραφες περί ήθους μου, και για να στο κάνω πιο λιανά μια και με γνωρίζεις κάπως, μπήκα στο άλλο Φόρουμ απλά για να δει ο Αετός ότι μπορεί να βρεθεί και να σας ξενερώσω λίγο....

Από εκεί και πέρα δεν θα ξαναεπέμβενα μια και το κόλλημα που είχα ήταν με την φράση του 22 ότι το θέμα είχε ανοιχτεί με Πρόνοια Θεού (αν πρόσεξες αναφέρομαι συνέχεια σε αυτήν).

Αυτήν την φράση φίλε WWALKER περίμενα πρώτα εσύ να την σχολιάσεις αρνητικά...αλλά μάλλον εγώ είμαι πιο Θεοσεβούμενος από αυτούς που το λένε ότι είναι Πιστοί



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Απεστάλη: 04/11/2005, 12:34:37  Εμφάνιση Προφίλ  Επισκεφθείτε την Προσωπική Σελίδα του Μέλους WWalker  Απάντηση με Παραπομπή (Quote)
Οπότε GDS1, μπορούμε να συνεννοηθούμε και το θέμα έλειξε.

quote:
Αν είναι να με απειλήσεις κάντο κανονικά...αν όχι μην το κάνεις καθόλου....

Αφου σου είπα στην αρχή, ότι δεν στο λέω για να σε απειλήσω.
Η φράση που σου έγραψα στην αρχή (βασικά έχω αρχίσει να σε θαυμάζω) έχει τον λόγο της που την έγραψα εκεί, δεν είναι διακοσμητική.

Μην ψαρώνεις, την πλάκα μας κάνουμε

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wwalker
"Ολάκερη σωβρακοσυζήτηση κάναμε together, τώρα θα τα χαλάσουμε;;;"

Συμφωνώ, δεν το θυμήθηκες όμως όταν έγραφες περί ήθους μου, και για να στο κάνω πιο λιανά μια και με γνωρίζεις κάπως, μπήκα στο άλλο Φόρουμ απλά για να δει ο Αετός ότι μπορεί να βρεθεί και να σας ξενερώσω λίγο....

wwalker
"Γι' αυτό σου λέω: ηρέμησε λίγο GDS1, δεν είμαι εγώ ο εχθρός σου, ούτε θέλω το κακό σου. "

Το ίδιο ισχύει και για εμένα WWALKER, αν εσείς αναστατώνεστε τόσο εύκολα από ένα γεια σε άλλο Φόρουμ τι φταιω εγώ


Σόρρυ, αλλά για το άλλο φόρουμ που λες έχω κουραστεί πολύ, και καλύτερα να φυλάω τα ρούχα μου (για να μου μείνουν τουλάχιστον τα μισά)

quote:
Από εκεί και πέρα δεν θα ξαναεπέμβενα μια και το κόλλημα που είχα ήταν με την φράση του 22 ότι το θέμα είχε ανοιχτεί με Πρόνοια Θεού (αν πρόσεξες αναφέρομαι συνέχεια σε αυτήν).

Αυτήν την φράση φίλε WWALKER περίμενα πρώτα εσύ να την σχολιάσεις αρνητικά...αλλά μάλλον εγώ είμαι πιο Θεοσεβούμενος από αυτούς που το λένε ότι είναι Πιστοί


Από τον χαμό εκεί μέσα περίμενες να κάτσω να σχολιάσω τον 22 συγκεκριμένα;
Προσωπικά μέσα στον χαμό 3-4 πόστ έκανα όλα κι όλα, κι αυτά με ασφάλεια.

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wwalker
"Αλλά λίγο τακτ βρε παιδί μου δεν βλάπτει!"

Η συμβουλή που δίνεις καλύτερα να την ξαναδιαβάσεις γιατί ότι έχεις πει μέχρι τώρα μόνο τακτ δεν έχουν



Τι να κάνουμε εγώ είμαι εντελώς ά-τακτ-ος

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Φίλε Οrfeas, στα 1000 IP σου δεν υπάρχει πρόβλημα, στα κάνω 35 με λίγο κόπο! Το 1 έξτρα είναι που δεν βοηθάει!

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ok ανακοχή


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Φίλε wwalker συνάδελφος είμαι. Ειδίκευομαι στα δίκτυα!

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Απεστάλη: 05/11/2005, 15:53:06  Εμφάνιση Προφίλ  Επισκεφθείτε την Προσωπική Σελίδα του Μέλους jonniebegood  Απάντηση με Παραπομπή (Quote)
quote:

Φίλε wwalker συνάδελφος είμαι. Ειδίκευομαι στα δίκτυα!



σορυ που παρεμβαινω, αλλα η απειλη περι αναγνωρισης του IP τι πρακτικες προεκτασεις εχει ρε wwalker?

οτι αν καποιος αποκτησει το ΙΡ μου θα μαθει ποιος ειμαι?


μα ειμαι απο τα ελαχιστα ατομα (οπως ο dim.kar και ο πανειος) που εχω δηλωσει το αληθινο μου ονομα στο δικτυο.


αν καποιος επιθυμει να με βρει, με βρισκει - καλοδεχτος θαναι!


εσυ ποιος εισαι?

αν παλι η αποκτηση του ΙΡ μου εχει σχεση με χακερεματα, δηλωνω στα ισα οτι ο υπολογιστης απο τον οποιο μπαινω στο δικτυο ειναι αδειος απο οποιαδηποτε πληροφορια, και οτι κανω save την παρουσα σελιδα με τις απειλες για την περιπτωση που υποστω καποια "επιτυχημενη" επιθεση (το τμημα διαδικτυακης αστυνομευσης της ΕΛ.ΑΣ. αξιοποιει καθε πληροφορια αν χρειαστει)

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ΥΓ. τις απειλες τις προτιμω αντρικια, οχι με @@παπακια.

αν καποιος φανατικος νιωθει την αναγκη να εκτονωθει επάνω μου πρακτικα, παρακαλω be my guest!


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LiakoFan
Μέλος 1ης Βαθμίδας


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Απεστάλη: 05/11/2005, 18:19:59  Εμφάνιση Προφίλ  Επισκεφθείτε την Προσωπική Σελίδα του Μέλους LiakoFan  Απάντηση με Παραπομπή (Quote)
Jbg, όταν γελοιοποιείς τους πάντες και τα πάντα, τι περίμενες?

Ακόμα και άτομα που δεν έχουν κανένα φανατισμό ή κόλλημα, είναι φυσικό να ενοχλούνται.

Γιατί δε σου φτάνει η γελοιοποίηση, εσύ αφήνεις και ένα κάρο κενά λες και σου κολλάει το Enter. Έχεις καταλάβει πόσο ενοχλητική είναι αυτή η τακτική? Τι πας να επιτύχεις με αυτή την παραξενιά? Να ενοχλήσεις? Να σε μισήσουν? Να σου δώσουν σημασία?

Αν στη στάση σου απέναντι στον κόσμο δεν έχουν θέση οι προφητείες, κι αν το μέλλον είναι όπως εμείς το κάνουμε με τις επιλογές μας. Τότε μπορεί να συμφωνώ μαζί σου. Αλλά τι έχεις να πεις για τις πολλές περιπτώσεις όπου προφητείες έχουν βγει αληθινές? Παραδείγματα έχω άφθονα.
Θεία φώτιση? Φυσικό φαινόμενο?
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Deghar Adhark
Μέλος 3ης Βαθμίδας

Fiji
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Απεστάλη: 05/11/2005, 20:52:40  Εμφάνιση Προφίλ  Επισκεφθείτε την Προσωπική Σελίδα του Μέλους Deghar Adhark  Απάντηση με Παραπομπή (Quote)
χαιρε τοπικ.

ο santaclaws{αγιος νυχιας} λεει:
το 2010 θα ερθει μια μεγαλη καταστροφη,που θα καταστρεψει τα παντα στο esoterica.
οι βιετκονγκ θα κανουν μεγαλη επιθεση και θα τελειωσουν ολα,καθως θα αρχισουν αλλα.
θα πρεπει λοιπον να μιλαμε,για την "επιθεση των βιετκονγκ" καθως και να βρουμε μια λυση.
εγω παντως......επειδη τυχαινει να ξερω ποιον μηνα θα ερθουν,θα την εχω κανει νωριτερα,και θα αφησω σε εσας.....να αναλαβετε την αμυνα του esoterica.

ουτε χθες ηρθα
ουτε αυριο θα φυγω


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dim.kar
Μέλος 3ης Βαθμίδας

Greece
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Απεστάλη: 07/11/2005, 11:18:41  Εμφάνιση Προφίλ  Επισκεφθείτε την Προσωπική Σελίδα του Μέλους dim.kar  Απάντηση με Παραπομπή (Quote)
Καλημέρα σε όλες και όλους!

Ανανέωση ψηφιακής υπογραφής και θέλω την γνώμη σας!

Ειλικρινά πάντως θα ήθελα να ευχαριστήσω τον peronosporo για τους χαρακτηρισμούς διότι νοιώθω κάτι σαν σαμπουάν δύο σε ένα: και αναρχοκομμούνι και φασίστας!!!

Το όνειρο μου: να με βρίζουν ΟΛΟΙ, άρα όλο και κάποιο δίκιο θα' χω!


dim.kar

Eίπαν: "το αναρχοκουμμούνι ο dim.kar ... να ξέρει ότι είναι ο μεγαλύτερος ΦΑΣΙΣΤΑΣ από όλους όσους έχω δεί"
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Τhanks!!!
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Peronosporos
Πλήρες Μέλος

Christmas Island
843 Μηνύματα
Απεστάλη: 07/11/2005, 11:43:41  Εμφάνιση Προφίλ  Απάντηση με Παραπομπή (Quote)
AXAXAXAXA, καλό, αλλά δεν έχεις ζητήσει την άδεια του συγγραφέα έχω το copyright ακόμη!!!!! εσύ απλά έχεις το Clopyright .
Θα σε παρακαλούσα μόνο να παραθέσεις ΟΛΟ το κείμενο, γιατί έτσι που το έχεις "κομμένο" άλλα λέει και άλλα αφήνεις να εννοεί


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valgraph
Μέλος 2ης Βαθμίδας

Cyprus
294 Μηνύματα
Απεστάλη: 07/11/2005, 11:49:09  Εμφάνιση Προφίλ  Επισκεφθείτε την Προσωπική Σελίδα του Μέλους valgraph  Απάντηση με Παραπομπή (Quote)
WWalker TA METAFRAZEIS STA ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΑ PARAKALW?

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dim.kar
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Greece
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Απεστάλη: 07/11/2005, 11:51:05  Εμφάνιση Προφίλ  Επισκεφθείτε την Προσωπική Σελίδα του Μέλους dim.kar  Απάντηση με Παραπομπή (Quote)
Peronospore το ζήτησες κι έγινε!

quote:

Αυτός ο φασιστικός τρόπος να μας επιβάλλετε την άποψή σας προφανώς δεν αρμόζει στην δημοκρατία που επικαλείστε. Αυτά να τα ακούει και το αναρχοκουμμούνι ο dim.kar και να ξέρει ότι είναι ο μεγαλύτερος ΦΑΣΙΣΤΑΣ από όλους όσους έχω δεί (έχω φίλους αναρχοκουμμούνια, και καλούς φίλους μάλιστα, αλλά τέτοια περίπτωση πραγματικά χρήζει παρακολούθησης.......) άσχετα τί ΝΟΜΙΖΕΙ ότι πρεσβεύει.

Facts: Knowledge is power, Power corrupts.
Conclusion: Study hard, Be evil.

Edited by - Peronosporos on 02/11/2005 18:51:49


Το απόσπασμα είναι αναμφισβήτητα δικό σου: το λέω άλλωστε: By Peronosporos. Θα το παρέθετα κι ολόκληρο, αλλά δεν χωράει στην ψηφιακή υπογραφή...

dim.kar

Eίπαν: "το αναρχοκουμμούνι ο dim.kar ... να ξέρει ότι είναι ο μεγαλύτερος ΦΑΣΙΣΤΑΣ από όλους όσους έχω δεί"
by Peronosporos

Τhanks!!!

Edited by - dim.kar on 07/11/2005 11:56:06Μετάβαση στην Κορυφή της Σελίδας

Peronosporos
Πλήρες Μέλος

Christmas Island
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Απεστάλη: 07/11/2005, 11:58:39  Εμφάνιση Προφίλ  Απάντηση με Παραπομπή (Quote)
Τέλειο, τέλειο .
Πάντα ήθελα να γίνω διάσημος .
Θα γίνω διάσημος ώς ο μεγάλος σχιζοφρενής και εσύ σαν Pizza delivery (1+1 χαρακτηρισμός δώρο!!!!).
Δώστου αγόρι μου

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Greece
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Απεστάλη: 07/11/2005, 16:43:56  Εμφάνιση Προφίλ  Επισκεφθείτε την Προσωπική Σελίδα του Μέλους WWalker  Απάντηση με Παραπομπή (Quote)
quote:
Φίλε wwalker συνάδελφος είμαι. Ειδίκευομαι στα δίκτυα!

Αμάν! Κι άλλος συνάδελφος!
Σοβαρά τώρα, έχω βρει άλλους 2-3 εδώ μέσα. Έχουμε πέραση όπως φαίνεται στα forums.
Η/Υ είσαι φίλε ορφέα ή ηλεκτρολόγος; (αν θες απαντάς)

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JBG:
Δεν απείλησα κανέναν, και μάλιστα το διευκρίνισα ήδη από το post στο οποίο αναφέρεται το θέμα περί IP.

quote:
μα ειμαι απο τα ελαχιστα ατομα (οπως ο dim.kar και ο πανειος) που εχω δηλωσει το αληθινο μου ονομα στο δικτυο.


αν καποιος επιθυμει να με βρει, με βρισκει - καλοδεχτος θαναι!


εσυ ποιος εισαι?


Ο Κώστας από Πάτρα.


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Greece
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Απεστάλη: 07/11/2005, 16:46:59  Εμφάνιση Προφίλ  Επισκεφθείτε την Προσωπική Σελίδα του Μέλους WWalker  Απάντηση με Παραπομπή (Quote)
quote:
WWalker TA METAFRAZEIS STA ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΑ PARAKALW?

Sorry φίλε Valgraph, αλλά είναι κάπως πολλά!

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Greece
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Απεστάλη: 07/11/2005, 16:49:22  Εμφάνιση Προφίλ  Επισκεφθείτε την Προσωπική Σελίδα του Μέλους WWalker  Απάντηση με Παραπομπή (Quote)
quote:
dim.kar

Eίπαν: "το αναρχοκουμμούνι ο dim.kar ... να ξέρει ότι είναι ο μεγαλύτερος ΦΑΣΙΣΤΑΣ από όλους όσους έχω δεί"
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dim.kar, μήπως είσαι κάτι σαν τον Στάλιν;

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orfeas7
Μέλος 2ης Βαθμίδας

Greece
322 Μηνύματα
Απεστάλη: 08/11/2005, 00:47:46  Εμφάνιση Προφίλ  Επισκεφθείτε την Προσωπική Σελίδα του Μέλους orfeas7  Απάντηση με Παραπομπή (Quote)
wwalker είμαι καθαρά Η/Υ software και ειδικεύομαι στα δικτυα. Δεν σπουδάζω σε ελληνικό πανεπιστήμιο. Στην ελλάδα έχω τελειώσει μόνο ένα ΙΕΚ πληροφορικής. Απλά μου δόθηκε η ευκαιρία να έρθω στην αγγλία τώρα στα γεράματα και πήρα σαν βασικό κορμό μαθημάτων για το τελευταίο έτος δίκτυα(πρωτόκολα διαχείρηση και ασφάλεια) και πτυχιακή εργασία πάνω στα ασύρματα δίκτυα η οποία θα αρχίσει το επόμενο εξάμηνο.

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WWalker
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Greece
1819 Μηνύματα
Απεστάλη: 08/11/2005, 09:13:14  Εμφάνιση Προφίλ  Επισκεφθείτε την Προσωπική Σελίδα του Μέλους WWalker  Απάντηση με Παραπομπή (Quote)
quote:
wwalker είμαι καθαρά Η/Υ software και ειδικεύομαι στα δικτυα. Δεν σπουδάζω σε ελληνικό πανεπιστήμιο. Στην ελλάδα έχω τελειώσει μόνο ένα ΙΕΚ πληροφορικής. Απλά μου δόθηκε η ευκαιρία να έρθω στην αγγλία τώρα στα γεράματα και πήρα σαν βασικό κορμό μαθημάτων για το τελευταίο έτος δίκτυα(πρωτόκολα διαχείρηση και ασφάλεια) και πτυχιακή εργασία πάνω στα ασύρματα δίκτυα η οποία θα αρχίσει το επόμενο εξάμηνο.

Μια χαρά είσαι φίλε Ορφέα

Θα τρως με χρυσά κουτάλια.

Και γω προς τα κει μεριά είμαι, μόνο που τα δίκτυα δεν θέλω να τα βλέπω στα μάτια μου.

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GDS1
Πλήρες Μέλος


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Απεστάλη: 08/11/2005, 09:39:58  Εμφάνιση Προφίλ  Επισκεφθείτε την Προσωπική Σελίδα του Μέλους GDS1  Απάντηση με Παραπομπή (Quote)
ΑΣΥΡΜΑΤΑ ΔΙΚΤΥΑ;;;;; ΠΩ ΕΛΠΙΖΩ ΝΑ ΜΗΝ ΕΧΕΙ ΝΑ ΚΑΝΕΙ ΜΕ ΑΔΥΝΑΜΙΑ ΚΑΙ ΑΣΦΑΛΕΙΑ ΤΩΝ ΑΣΥΡΜΑΤΩΝ ΔΙΚΤΥΩΝ Η ΠΤΥΧΙΑΚΗ ΣΟΥ ... ΕΙΝΑΙ ΜΑΝΙΚΙ .... ΑΛΛΑ ΤΙ ΛΕΩ ΕΣΥ ΤΟ ΞΕΡΕΙΣ ΚΑΛΥΤΕΡΑ...


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WWalker
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Greece
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Απεστάλη: 08/11/2005, 14:11:22  Εμφάνιση Προφίλ  Επισκεφθείτε την Προσωπική Σελίδα του Μέλους WWalker  Απάντηση με Παραπομπή (Quote)
Και συ δικτυατζής είσαι GDS1?

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orfeas7
Μέλος 2ης Βαθμίδας

Greece
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quote:
Μια χαρά είσαι φίλε Ορφέα

Θα τρως με χρυσά κουτάλια.


Ναι ναι! Αυτό έλεγα και εγώ... ποτε θα τελειώσω να πάω να φάω με χρυσά κουτάλια.

Γεμίσε ο τόπος κομπιουτεράδες. Έχουμε γίνει πιο πολλοί και από τους άνεργους στην ελλάδα! Αλλά τί να κάνεις! Ψόρα είναι...

Τέλοσπαντων!!!

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Απεστάλη: 08/11/2005, 16:44:20  Εμφάνιση Προφίλ  Επισκεφθείτε την Προσωπική Σελίδα του Μέλους GDS1  Απάντηση με Παραπομπή (Quote)
όχι φίλε δεν είμαι αλλά διαβάζω από χόμπι (μαζοχισμός έτσι) για να βοηθήσω πάντως έχω κάνει μια 100 σέλιδη έρευνα πάνω στα Ασύρματα και την Ασφαλειά τους....βασισμένα στα πρωτόκολλα 802.11 (a, b, g κτλ δεν υπήρχε τότε το χ)

Είναι καλή φάση η τεχνολογία και διαβάζω...


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Greece
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Απεστάλη: 09/11/2005, 02:03:04  Εμφάνιση Προφίλ  Επισκεφθείτε την Προσωπική Σελίδα του Μέλους WWalker  Απάντηση με Παραπομπή (Quote)
quote:
όχι φίλε δεν είμαι αλλά διαβάζω από χόμπι (μαζοχισμός έτσι) για να βοηθήσω πάντως έχω κάνει μια 100 σέλιδη έρευνα πάνω στα Ασύρματα και την Ασφαλειά τους....βασισμένα στα πρωτόκολλα 802.11 (a, b, g κτλ δεν υπήρχε τότε το χ)

Είναι καλή φάση η τεχνολογία και διαβάζω...


Άμα εσύ γουστάρεις GDS1, τύφλα να έχει αυτός που θα σου πει εσένα ότι το να ασχολείσαι είναι μαζοχισμός.

quote:
Γεμίσε ο τόπος κομπιουτεράδες. Έχουμε γίνει πιο πολλοί και από τους άνεργους στην ελλάδα! Αλλά τί να κάνεις! Ψόρα είναι...

Φίλε μου, πρώτα απ'όλα όπως ξέρεις, αυτή την στιγμή υπάρχει μια σχετική κρίση στους Η/Υ στο παγκόσμιο στερέωμα, χάρη στο προσωρινό haltάρισμα που φάγαμε λόγω οικονομίας και άλλων παραπλεύρων παραγόντων (πχ έλλειψη πυριτίου).
Μην ανησυχείς, παρ'όλα αυτά, οι προοπτικές είναι πολλά υποσχόμενες, και μάλιστα έχουμε "πολύ ψωμί" στο μέλλον.

Έχει πληθωριστεί ο κλάδος, δίκιο έχεις, με την κάθε Πληροφορική κωλοχωρίου να ξεφυτρώνει κάθε τρεις και λίγο. Παρ'όλα αυτά, οι ανάγκες για έναν μηχανικό λογισμικού ή έναν πολύ έμπειρο προγραμματιστή είναι ακόμη μεγάλες.
Παλαιότερα συνάντησα στατιστικές, σχετικά με την ΕΕ. Έλεγε ότι στον κλάδο μας, οι ανάγκες αυξάνουν κατά 20% περίπου κάθε χρόνο, ενώ τα Πανεπιστήμια ακόμη δεν επαρκούν για να βγάλουν αρκετούς αποφοίτους, με άλλα λόγια, αν αυτό δεν αλλάξει, σε λίγα χρόνια (θα έχει παρέλθει και η κρίση), η ανάγκη για έναν Η/Υ θα είναι μεγάλη. Να 'ναι καλά η IBM βέβαια που μας έδωσε ένα σουτ μεγαλειώδες σε πανευρωπαική κλίμακα, και τώρα κοιτάμε πως θα κλείσουμε σύμβαση.

Εγώ θα σου προτείνω, μιας και είσαι softwarας να έχεις τα μάτια σου ανοιχτά προς τον κλάδο της βιοπληροφορικής, γιατί σύντομα, θα πέσει πολλή δουλειά και οι ανάγκες θα είναι μεγάλες.
Ήδη γίνεται μια προσπάθεια προς ανάπτυξη του κλάδου αυτού, και σύντομα θα αποφέρει καρπούς, ειδικά όσον αφορά την διαχείριση σχετικών δομών για κομμάτια DNA.

Βέβαια, αυτά παραείναι μακρόπνοα.

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Greece
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Απεστάλη: 09/11/2005, 14:46:35  Εμφάνιση Προφίλ  Επισκεφθείτε την Προσωπική Σελίδα του Μέλους jonniebegood  Απάντηση με Παραπομπή (Quote)
quote:

quote:
dim.kar

Eίπαν: "το αναρχοκουμμούνι ο dim.kar ... να ξέρει ότι είναι ο μεγαλύτερος ΦΑΣΙΣΤΑΣ από όλους όσους έχω δεί"
by Peronosporos


dim.kar, μήπως είσαι κάτι σαν τον Στάλιν;


με τον Δημητρη εχουμε διαφωνησει στο παρελθον χωρις να ξεκατινιαστουμε!

ενα εχω να πω γι αυτον, ειναι ανθρωπος ευλαβης και οχι "πιστος" - και αυτο ειναι που εκτιμω τα μαλα!


σας εχω ηδη προτεινει να ξεκινησετε απο την "ευλαβεια" τον διαλογισμο σας...

τι σημαινει αραγε???

.


ου μαθειν δει τους μυστας αλλα παθειν www.johnniebegood.grΜετάβαση στην Κορυφή της Σελίδας

dim.kar
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Απεστάλη: 09/11/2005, 20:05:11  Εμφάνιση Προφίλ  Επισκεφθείτε την Προσωπική Σελίδα του Μέλους dim.kar  Απάντηση με Παραπομπή (Quote)
Καλησπέρα σε όλες και όλους!

JbG ευχαριστώ για τα καλά σου λόγια!!!

(Αλλά δεν θυμάμαι ποτέ να διαφωνήσαμε και σε κάτι σημαντικό... Με βοηθάς; Για να σου τραβήξω κι εσένα μερικά μπινελίκια και να ανάψουνε τα αίματα!)

dim.kar

Eίπαν: "το αναρχοκουμμούνι ο dim.kar ... να ξέρει ότι είναι ο μεγαλύτερος ΦΑΣΙΣΤΑΣ από όλους όσους έχω δεί"
by Peronosporos

Τhanks!!!

Edited by - dim.kar on 09/11/2005 20:28:07Μετάβαση στην Κορυφή της Σελίδας

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